March 01, 2011

Hens a-squawkin'!

I can no more resist weighing in on this than I can resist a plate of well-prepared Pra Rha Ram Song so you've been warned...

..a cranky Cathy post!

Last week a well-known priest (he's well known because he wants to be) of the more, uh, "out-there" variety got a fair amount of national press by proclaiming that women can be and should be lay preachers at his parish. Not only that, he admitted he'd been allowing it.

The practice of lay preaching during a Catholic Mass is, sadly, not unknown around here. In fact, I seem to recall a local Archbishop phasing out the practice of lay preaching during the Homily, while the priest creates plausible deniability by leaving the building, some years back. Yes, lay preaching has a history around here. Apparently, Priest Hen-Pecked was too busy writing his letter to the editor about the apparent misuse of kingly-authority to pay attention.

Priest Hen-Pecked, because honestly, you know the hens-run-amok in his parish are wearin' him down like a bar of soap, states that "She (the lay woman preacher) has basically the same teaching as a priest" I've got to give Father Hen-Pecked credit for the honesty of that statement because at the time Father Hen-Pecked was in seminary that was probably true. Not only was that a true statement, Sister Preach-It was probably teaching the seminary class on homilitics.


Blogger LarryD said...

No rant like a Midwest rant!

Btw - that's a great FB pic. Lookin' good!

March 01, 2011 2:28 PM  
Blogger Terry Nelson said...

What took you so long?

March 01, 2011 2:52 PM  
Blogger belinda said...

Wow, I had no idea that lay people were doing this. The only person who I've ever heard of preaching and not actually being a priest was Billy Graham and that also made me a bit uneasy. I don't know if it is fact though.
Public disobedience.. I'm embarrassed for the offending priest, somebody has to be, I don't suppose he is.

March 01, 2011 3:02 PM  
Blogger belinda said...

I mean to say, Mr.Graham - preaching at a Catholic mass.

March 01, 2011 3:03 PM  
Blogger Ray from MN said...

The problem with all of the "Father Hen-peckeds" of the various dioceses is not that they allow lady preachers. It is that that is just one of many issues where they disagree with their bishops.

I'm trying to find out when they offer confession at Father HP's parish. So far, I am on the fourth tab and all I've discovered is that First Reconciliation (sic) is in the fourth grade while First Communion is for second graders). Nice! That might be the only Confession for many of them.

I finally went though 8 tabs and couldn't find it so I finally downloaded a bulletin that said that Confession in one of the largest parishes in the Twin Cities is offered between 4 and 4:30 on Saturdays. Must be a lot of saints out there. I guess that would be fitting for a parish whose patron is called the "Confessor."

I would bet anything that Holy Week he will have a communal penance service that 98% of his parishioners think that suffices for the year. Yet I'd bet the parish orders communion hosts by 100 pound sack, manufactured by machine to save a few dollars.

I don't have the space or time to enumerate what other issues Father H-P has with the Church, but you can be sure that they are many. And he has tenure, so he doesn't care that the archbishop doesn't agree with him, as long as he keeps getting his check.

March 01, 2011 3:05 PM  
Blogger Nan said...

The problem is that they think that rules are for someone else and that open dissent is just fine. Hopefully the Office of Worship will take him in hand.

If I'm correct, this is the guy who was upset because the default for the life insurance policy was the archdiocese and he wanted to leave his life insurance to his nieces.

March 01, 2011 3:54 PM  
Blogger Clamburger said...

A permanent deacon occasionally preaches at my parish. Should it necessarily be a priest?

March 01, 2011 7:13 PM  
Blogger Terry Nelson said...

Nope - Ordained deacons are permitted to preach.

March 01, 2011 9:05 PM  
Blogger Defend Us In Battle said...

They should write all these rules down somewhere so we can follow them! Good Grief.

I don't blame the priest or the Spirit-ual-lady for preachin, I think Rome just makes up these rules as they go along!

No continuity! Im sure the lady had lots of good stuff to say, we need to hear these sort of things as we dont get it enough in our travels in our spiritual journey. I think that the lady should sell copies of her talks in the gathering space, post liturgy.

BTW - My sarcasm button is stuck, someone pass the whiskey.

March 01, 2011 9:11 PM  
Blogger Saint Michael Come To Our Defense said...

Barefoot and pregnant.

Need I say more?


March 02, 2011 11:45 AM  
Blogger Cathy_of_Alex said...

Ter: Thanks for the assist on the teaching moment!

Defend Us: Don't worry, I could tell it was!

Ray: Bitter? Freaking out? LOL

March 02, 2011 12:29 PM  
Blogger Saint Michael Come To Our Defense said...

"...They should write all these rules down somewhere so we can follow them! Good Grief..."

Holy Mother Church is not a Church of rules.

It is the Bride of Christ.

When a Priest imitates that which he holds in his hands, his sheep become obedient.

His love for our Divine Master becomes engendered through a generic inculcation; his obedience 'following the rules' becomes the obedience of the sheep.

He is further charged with providing the Sacraments to them, and a Catechism.

(what rule was Saint Michael Archangel following when he booted Lucifer?)


March 02, 2011 1:05 PM  
Blogger Ray from MN said...


Fr. HP does do that to me.

March 02, 2011 1:47 PM  
Blogger belinda said...

I have long considered myself the "Cousin Eddie" of this little group since 2008 but now I think perhaps Pablo could fill in for me.

It's hard to be consistantly barefoot and pregnant when a woman earns $8.00 an hour.

I would have used a different analogy and said, "Maybe if more women were doing the things that God called them to do instead of the things that they themselves want to do then perhaps our priests wouldn't be tormented by their crushing henpecking and maybe more poor people would be fed.

March 02, 2011 4:01 PM  
Blogger Saint Michael Come To Our Defense said...

The good Padre was making repairs to the Church buildings when a woman began hen-pecking him and making 'reports' directly to Bishop Fellay of the SSPX.

Her husband was called to the Priory and told his wife had too much time on her hands because he was not doing his manly duty.

He was told to get with it.

She never came around again, except for Mass.

I don't think I had ever seen her so happy.

Just because a couple has had all the children God is going to give them (including no children at all) that doesn't mean they have to stop trying.


March 02, 2011 4:24 PM  
Blogger Saint Michael Come To Our Defense said...


Mrs. Trudy at

is having a baby at her age of 46.

Please pray for this woman and her family that God grant them the grace of finding His Bride and a happy child birth.

She is not Catholic yet.


March 02, 2011 4:31 PM  
Blogger Lynne said...

Lots of great comments but I really loved this...

"Maybe if more women were doing the things that God called them to do instead of the things that they themselves want to do then perhaps our priests wouldn't be tormented by their crushing henpecking and maybe more poor people would be fed."


March 04, 2011 7:04 PM  
Blogger 3puddytats said...

Ahh..$8.00 an hour??

Not me....

My profession compensates me rather more than that..

I can also make more than that simply playing my guitar at Temple Square in SLC...

But then I've been accused by some of my very conservative Mormon coworkers that I'm taking a good-paying job away from a man who needs it to support his family..

Ok then...what do I do then?? Stay home crocheting potholders?? A bit of a waste of an engineering degree doncha think??

God wants me to be an engineer..He's made that perfectly clear..


March 06, 2011 3:43 PM  
Blogger ignorant redneck said...

Some how, this reminds me of the vigil Mass I attended yesterday!

March 06, 2011 6:13 PM  

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