August 30, 2010

No Mosque

I'm not in favor of the mosque at Ground Zero in New York City. Today, I was reading an article that said Catholics should favor the mosque because we faced that same kind of discrimination in the early days of this Nation. I thought that was lame justification as I believe that Catholics face discrimination now; but, it's often subtle. You don't see signs that say "Catholics and Irish need not apply" anymore but if there were still signs like that today they'd say "Practicing Catholics need not apply" If you reveal in the work place that you believe sexual relationship between people of the same gender and unmarried couples is sinful just wait and see how much flak you get.

In any case I don't think my opposition to the mosque at Ground Zero stems from some hatred of Islam. I do love Christianity and believe it is THE authentic faith, with more truth than Islam, Judaism, Hindusim etc. etc. and I don't make any apologies for that belief. I'm sure practitioners of other faiths believe their faith contains the fullness of the truth. People have the right, in the U.S., to practice their faith, or lack thereof, in whatever tradition they believe.

By opposing the mosque at Ground Zero I'm not saying Muslims are not welcome in the United States and should not have mosques or be able to practice their faith openly. However, putting a mosque at Ground Zero at the sight of towers that were destroyed by radical practioners of Islam is like saying it's ok for the Aryan Nation to build a convention center and hotel at Auschwitz. Not all practioners of Islam are radical terrorists, like those who destroyed the Twin Towers, but it's just a bad idea to allow it.

If we did allow the mosque to be built, am I the only one who thinks there are radical Muslims who will rejoice because they "won" in replacing a capitalist tower of the West with a symbol of their faith? Put a mosque somewhere else in NYC. Official have even offered to help them find another site-take them up on the offer.


Blogger LarryD said...

Well said. The folks who want to build the mosque claim that the center/mosque's purpose is to foster unity and build fellowship within the community. Well, one good way to foster that unity is to acquiesce to the call to have the mosque built somewhere else, right? Wouldn't that compromise show they're willing to respect the wishes of those in the community? They have the right to build the thing - most people are just asking that the mosque builders show a bit of respect.

August 30, 2010 8:14 PM  
Blogger nazareth priest said...

I heard a commentary about the comparison between the founding of a Carmelite cloister in Auschwitz; the nuns took over some building on those grounds to make reparation and pray for the souls killed there, named "Carmel of the Precious Blood".
The Jewish community went ballistic;
finally, PJPII told the nuns to relocate adjacent to the property; they did so obediently.
I think this secular commentator made a very good point here: respect the wishes of the violated, no matter what the cost.
Those Nuns continue to live there, next to the property, praying and doing penance. God bless them for their obedience.
Wish this was likewise.
Respect; that's it.

August 30, 2010 9:40 PM  
Blogger Adoro said...

I agree with the good Reverent Know-it-all.

See my recent FB status from this evening.

Nazareth Priest ~ There are those who make it sound like the Good Sisters abandoned the area altogether; I actually read about them at a JEWISH site about the Holocaust, and they were THRILLED by the presence of the women in constant prayer backing up to the site.

August 30, 2010 10:41 PM  
Blogger Terry Nelson said...

I'm against it.

August 30, 2010 10:55 PM  
Blogger nazareth priest said...

Adoro: Glad to hear that.
I think it was more of the radical "secularist" Jewish group (Abe Foxman comes to mind here, can't remember the name of the organization) here in the USA than the Jewish population in Europe; there is much better respect between faiths there, sometimes, sometimes not so much; here in the US, it much more political.

August 30, 2010 11:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well said, Cathy. It is a matter of sensitivity and manners on their part, rather than anything to do with prejudice or hatred against them.

August 30, 2010 11:23 PM  
Blogger Michael J. Bayly said...

I found these perspectives helpful in understanding this issue. Accordingly, I support the building of the Islamic Center at 51 Park Place in NYC.

August 31, 2010 11:14 AM  
Blogger Ray from MN said...

I will support the construction of the Ground Zero Mosque when Saudi Arabia opens churches in its 10 largest cities, excepting Mecca and Medina (these are religious cities; it would be like requiring a Mosque to be built in Vatican City). None are permitted now, expect perhaps in embassy compounds.

Saudi Arabia is the main funder of Mosque construction around the world in non-Islamic countries.

August 31, 2010 3:08 PM  
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September 01, 2010 7:17 PM  
Blogger Subvet said...

Since 9/11/01 I've read just a smidgen of history regarding Islam's foundation, expansion and present day manifestations.

It thrives in this country because too many of our leaders turn a blind eye to it's characteristics (witness how the military brass ignored all warning signs regarding the Ft. Hood shooter).

In addition to my readings I've also had to encounter numerous Muslims here in North Texas. Without exception they've been arrogant, abrasive, misogynists who become profuse deniers of any involvement of their coreligionists in the events of 9/11 (it's a Zionist conspiracy they'll say).

Sooner or later a critical mass of jihadist acts in this country will be reached and this cult will be eradicated. If that isn't done by the authorities than we can look for vigilante committees to form. That isn't something I'd relish, its something that HAS happened in the past when those in charge were too slow to recognize the popular mood.

If these sentiments and comments make me an Islamphobe then so be it. I can live with that a lot easier than the prospect of sharia law (which other Western nations are increasingly tolerant of within their borders).

So let them build their mosque, they're only hastening the inevitable day of reckoning.

September 01, 2010 7:20 PM  
Anonymous Austringer said...

One of the most informative books on Islam that I've read was "111 Questions on Islam" by Father Samir Khalil Samir, a Jesuit who grew up in a Muslim culture. Father makes clear that a mosque is more than just a place of worship, though most Westerners assume "mosque" is interchangeable with "church". It is a social and political center as well, and also -- and this is important -- an assertion of Islamic identity. It is meant to make a statement about the superiority of Islam. Westerners bending over backwards in the name of tolerance is not regarded as kindness, but instead it "proves" the superiority of Islam. So, no -- the building of a mosque so near Ground Zero should not be tolerated. Father Samir also makes clear that the violent strain of Islam that we've unfortunately become acquainted with is NOT an aberration, but is simply a legitimate interpretation. A peaceful Islam is also a legitimate interpretation. The point is that radical Islam is not a corruption of the religion but merely one way of living it.

September 02, 2010 2:30 PM  
Blogger Adoro said...

Ray ~ I would actually insist that Saudi Arabia allow Christians to freely practice their Faith, not just in the home, but in PUBLIC akin to any Muslim.

I have friends who grew up in Saudi Arabie and there is NO FREEDOM there!

I would, in fact, demand that a Cathedral to the Most Holy Trinity be built in Mecca so that Christians could go there to pray for the conversion of the Muslims.

After all, look at what they did to the Holy Land, the Hagia Sophia, etc.

And that's what they're trying to do here, too.

I don't support it. I support their freedom to practice their religion here in America but not as a testament to their victory at Ground Zero.

They can build somewhere else just fine and I won't utter a peep.

But not there.

September 03, 2010 2:54 PM  

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