July 19, 2009

New church

Ray and Vincenzo carried the story about the American Catholic Council convening in Detroit MI in 2011.

This is not a new movement. I remember attending gatherings 10 or more years ago, back in my dissident days, when commenters and speakers very openly called for an American Catholic Church-an explicit separation from the Roman Catholic Church.

I was never a part of that movement. To seperate from Rome scared me. Yes, me, even as far gone as I often was. To me, I wondered, if we are going to do that, why not just leave altogether? Why lie to yourself? Why even bother to call yourself Catholic?

These are questions that I would, if they'd listen to me, invite every last one of these souls to consider. Questioning is good. However, I think it's when we spend more time in questioning ourselves and our motivations, rather than solely aiming our questions at institutions, that we arrive at meaningful answers.

The extremists have been calling for an American Catholic Church for years. Now, it seems they are finally moving to act. Even though this is called a "council" it's a solid step away into full on separation. In a way I'm glad: why continue to lie to themselves that they are Roman Catholics? If it brings them a peace to think they are finally getting what they want, then: go with God.

However, the separation of The Body of Christ is not an occasion for joy. I have a feeling that this new ACC is going to, at the end of the day, realize that they are still not going to attain what they seek.

I'm all for questioning, as I said above, but if you are the only one answering your own questions, where exactly are you at the end of the day?

Seperated and alone.

This group is going to fall apart one day (if they even get very far) over the "By whose authority?" - count on it. You are going to have a room full of people who are all going to fear looking too "Magisterium like" or "Papal like" so anything will go and everything will go.

The only thing they will ever agree on is that they have "issues" with the Roman Catholic Church and those "issues" will vary by each individual. How many times have I known church shoppers who will try anything but authentic Catholicism? They wander around seeking and are always lost.

Answers cannot be found solely within. You have to be open to the outer as well and I don't mean only open to your fellow dissenters.

There is an authority: The Christ and The Church He founded.

All dissenting churches are founded on one thing: rebellion against the authority Christ founded. Dissent is founded on sand. Better to stand on The Rock.


Blogger Terry Nelson said...

You have to read Weakland's book. I can barely keep a screen up so comments and posts must be short.

July 19, 2009 3:39 PM  
Blogger Ray from MN said...

This group is going to fall apart one day (if they even get very far) over the "By whose authority?" - count on it.

You're right, Cath.

Right now, 500 years after the Reformation, there are something like 350 major Christian denominations and if you count all the store-fronts and independents, somewhere between 30,000-50,000 total Christian denominations.

Few major denominations are being created other than the Anglican schisms and a few others. The trend is "you can't tell me what to believe."

Interestingly enough, this lack of a central authority is the biggest problem that the West has with Islam. There is no central authority, even among the various islamic sects and groups (Sunni, Shi'a, Sufi, Ismaili, Wahhabi, etc).

Any individual can step forward and become an Islamic leader. All they need to do is convince others that they are speaking an Islamic truth.

I'm already confused about these local heretics. Apparently the Twin Cities group planning a "council" for 2010 has broken away from the other group planning a national Detroit "synod" for 2010.

You just know that the personalities will be strong enough that these two groups will not be able to agree with each other.

If it takes the hierarchical Catholic Church dozens of years and tons of paper and electrons to agree on a proper translation of the Mass from Latin into English, how long will it take the heretics to agree on common points of dispute with Rome?

1,000 years?

July 19, 2009 5:14 PM  
Blogger Nan said...

1000 new denominations a week.

July 19, 2009 6:06 PM  
Blogger ignorant redneck said...

I've heard a dominican Friar-priest--say that we needed two popes, one for Rome, one for the US.

It's comming, and then Catholics will be persecutted.

July 20, 2009 9:28 AM  
Blogger Natasa said...

Why don't these groups simply join an Anglican church? I'm sure there are plenty out there that can accomodate all these different demands.
Does anyone have any figures about these dissenters interested in forming the Americal church?

July 21, 2009 6:16 AM  
Blogger swissmiss said...

At soccer the other night, a fellow mom was talking about the not-so-good neighborhood she lives in and how the local churches organized to bring in Christian families. The soccer group is a Christian group, mostly Christian, few Catholics. This mom went on to tell how on two days a week she's Baptist, on two other days of the week she's Evangelical Free and the rest of the week she's something else, based on which church she attends in the neighborhood. I don't think she realized how incredibly ODD that sounds to a Catholic. I just stood there blinking, not knowing what to say!

July 21, 2009 12:19 PM  
Blogger Cathy_of_Alex said...

Swissy: Forget "Who do you say that I am"? better ask her who she says she is.

July 21, 2009 2:53 PM  
Blogger LarryD said...

A little late to this party - being a Detroit-area resident, I'm not looking forward to this occurring in the Archdiocese. I'll be writing letters to the Archbishop and auxillary bishops about this.

Oh, and I'll be blogging about it too. In my usual charming manner! :-)

July 29, 2009 9:24 AM  

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