January 21, 2008

Ultra-Trads and Dissidents: Separated at Birth?

Are there more similarities than differences between ultra-trads and dissident Catholics?

At their core, I see many similarities between them.

Consider the following:

Upset at Shepherds

Ultra-trads: Upset that our (or should that be: YOUR?) Shepherds are not spending all their spare time excommunicating dissidents and telling dissidents they are going straight to Hell.

Dissident: Upset because our (or should that be: YOUR?) Shepherds are not spending all their spare time doing anything other than telling them they are going straight to Hell.

Ultra-trads: Upset that the Bishop does not do what they want

Dissidents: Upset that the Bishop does not do what they want

Won’t recognize, or only very grudgingly recognize, the authority of Shepherds who don't agree with them or do what they want

Ultra-trads: Wonder if Shepherds are legitimate, or if they are Masonic puppets, but not willing to take any steps to officially leave the Roman Catholic Church and join a schismatic group. It's all a conspiracy against them. They are miserable.

Dissidents: Don’t like any authority unless it’s one of their personal choosing. Even if there were to be a vote and their candidate lost they would still be upset and blame the voting process. It's all a conspiracy against them. Will not take steps to leave the RC Church and join a Protestant church or a schismatic group. They are miserable.

The Extraordinary Form

Ultra-trads: Angry that the Novus Ordo was not entirely overturned and replaced by the extraordinary form in one fell swoop. Also, ticked that people that are not like them and don't think as they do, have more opportunity to share a form of the Mass that they’ve come to think is “their little secret”. Now, in a petulent huff, they want to use the 1947 Missal (By the way, I’m not making that up). Not sure why they don't read the Scriptures in Ancient Hebrew on papyrus but I'm sure that's coming.

Dissidents: Don’t like any "form" of the Mass. They want to be able to celebrate as they want. The Mass is “their little secret” as long as they can keep it under the radar.


Ultra-trads: Not sure they care about anyone else’s salvation, they just want us to know how holy THEY are

Dissidents: Not willing to “meddle” in anyone else’s personal spiritual space. That would be rude and besides they are too ashamed of the Faith they profess to share it with anyone else.

Authentic Catholicism:

Ultra-trads: They are the true Catholics and they want all of us to know it

Dissidents: They are the true Catholics and they want all of us to know it


Blogger swissmiss said...

Not sure why they don't read the Scriptures in Ancient Hebrew on papyrus but I'm sure that's coming.
Very funny! Great stuff, Cathy! It's very hard to be friend's with folks from either camp.

The following quote of Orwell's from 1984 seems eerily appropriate to both:
"He knew that . . . the Thought Police had watched him like a beetle under a magnifying glass. There was no physical act, no word spoken aloud, that they had not noticed, no train of thought that they had not been able to infer."

January 21, 2008 9:27 PM  
Blogger Vincenzo said...

Great post Cathy! You should have a newspaper or magazine column (but keep the blog too!)

"..(By the way, I’m not making that up)."

I saw that guy. He blamed the masons and the commies.

January 21, 2008 9:29 PM  
Blogger Adoro te Devote said...

ooh...it's just a matter of time before you get flamed for this post!

January 21, 2008 10:31 PM  
Blogger Cathy_of_Alex said...

Thanks all!

Adoro: I'm not sure about that. I don't know how many in either camp would dare to publicly admit they belong to either. But, they know who they are.

January 22, 2008 6:57 AM  
Blogger Jeffrey Smith said...

Right on target!

January 22, 2008 1:00 PM  
Blogger Cathy_of_Alex said...

Medievalist: Welcome back!

January 22, 2008 1:06 PM  
Blogger Angela M. said...

Cathy - STERLING post! A real keeper!

January 22, 2008 2:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Funny post! And true.

January 22, 2008 3:07 PM  
Blogger ignorant redneck said...


If word were bullits, you'de be a sniper! Deadly accurate.

Yet still entertaining and unthreatening.

And because of that, you deserve flamed!! All those extremist interfereing with our Middle of the Road catholicism--you've become the sedevacantist dissident tool!

There, no Adoros prediction is true. ;)

January 22, 2008 4:31 PM  
Blogger Melody said...

Good one, Cathy!

January 22, 2008 5:17 PM  
Blogger Cathy_of_Alex said...

Thanks, all!

Redneck: Was that the best "flame" you've got? LOL!

January 22, 2008 8:19 PM  
Blogger Fr Scott Bailey, C.Ss.R. said...

Boy did you hit the nail on the head... or is it the donkey in the backside? Truer words have rarely been spoken.

It would be nice if we could all just be Catholics... you know, virtu in media stat.

Keep up the good work! And if you get flamed, use holy water...works great against demonic attacks!

January 23, 2008 11:10 AM  
Blogger Dymphna (4HisChurch) said...

True Catholicism is not extreme on either side. Excellent post!

January 23, 2008 3:53 PM  
Blogger Cathy_of_Alex said...

Father: I have to be careful throwing that Holy Water at my computer screen! :-)

Dymphna: I agree. The truth is not extreme to either side.

January 23, 2008 8:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good comparison, Cathy!! Isn't it funny how the two extremes are so similar?

I'm glad you are back and feeling better, dearie! Love ya!

January 24, 2008 10:14 AM  
Blogger Cathy_of_Alex said...

Thanks, Georgette!

January 24, 2008 12:17 PM  
Anonymous bro. AJK said...

Dear Cathy,

I heard it say that you can fall off the road and into a ditch on either side. So, once someone falls into the ditch, either left or right, he's still in a ditch.

January 27, 2008 12:39 PM  

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