September 05, 2007


A Catty Cathy post.

Just curious.

Can ANYONE willing to pay the money rent a Catholic Church basement or hall these days?

Just wondering how an event hosted by drag queen manages to rent the Catholic church basement of the parish in south Minneapolis that I grew up in (no, it's not the parish you first thought of!)

Yes, they have a worthy goal of raising money for AIDS/HIV charities but I question whether or not there is some nose-thumbing going on at the same time. "Hey, I get to wear a bridal costume with my partner and be in a Catholic church basement-ha-ha-ha. That'll show 'em."

Furthermore, if someone can explain to me how some priests get to be in a parish for nearly 30 years while others can barely hang on for 2 before they are reassigned, I'd love to hear it.


Blogger Terry Nelson said...

Where is this? I don't work at Leaflet Missal anymore, so I miss out on all the dirt. I hate that. (Although it explains why my blog is so boring.)

Omigosh! I bet it's where you-know-who just got a job at!

September 05, 2007 1:08 PM  
Blogger Cathy_of_Alex said...

I wish. She'd put the whammy on it right quick!

September 05, 2007 1:33 PM  
Blogger Ma Beck said...

The same way that Westminster Cathedral gets "rented out" for the 99 Names of Allah (or whatever that was) and the one church in the UK gets rented out for some anti-Catholic film.
Because to some priests who are in the clutches of satan, everything has a price.
They sold our Lord for 30 pieces of silver - we shouldn't be surprised when they sell His Church, too.
They will repent, or they will pay.

September 05, 2007 1:36 PM  
Blogger Ray from MN said...

I have been pondering over question No. 2 for some time. There seems to be such a thing as "tenure" in pastoral assignments if a priest is assigned as pastor of a parish. It takes a decision from Rome to remove him.

But some are assigned as "sacramental ministers" with no rights at all.

But it seems to me when I was a lad, that everybody got transferred after six or ten years or something like that.

Why do I have to log in on your blog regularly?

Why don't my cookies get remembered?

I haven't seen the manual with other categories.

September 05, 2007 8:35 PM  
Blogger Kasia said...

I don't think there's priestly tenure, even de facto. I think the main two reasons why pastors get left at parishes for ten or twenty years are (1) nobody else wants to go there, or (2) the bishop is trying to keep the damage contained. Like a virus, you know; quarantine the parish and most of the biggest heretics won't disperse out to other parishes to poison the wells there.

At least, that's my guess. There's a parish a mile or two from my work that actually has the pastor's name on the sign, he's been there that long. I think as a rule they try to keep everyone moving, but sometimes it's just not practical.

September 07, 2007 1:45 PM  
Blogger Kasia said...

Oh - and regarding your first question, I think if you rent out your facilities to non-parishioners it's very difficult legally to refuse someone who has the money. That's why a lot of churches will only rent their facilities to members.

I could be misinformed though.

September 07, 2007 1:49 PM  
Blogger Cathy_of_Alex said...

kasia: You raise an interesting theory about "containment"

September 07, 2007 6:21 PM  
Blogger hank_F_M said...

A bunch of years ago we did. I remember our previous pastor explained from the pulpit that he canceled a reservation and returned the deposit because the renter was the local abortion advocates which was not obvious from their name.

This came up at a Parrish meeting several years ago. Part of it is insurance especially if there is alcohol being served. The Archdiocese stipulates the amount of insurance that renter needs to buy, and this probably puts it out of the range of most non-profit groups.

September 08, 2007 6:28 PM  
Blogger hank_F_M said...

The second question.

Sometimes they get promoted.

A pastor in Canon Law is (was?)appointed until retirement. This is so he can preach the Gospel without fear or favor from superiors or congregation. Also because he is married to the parish. The church is our mother he is the Father. He can only be removed for cause.

But in the US this was changed to term appointments after the Vatican II. Some suggest this was to make conservative pastors toe a more liberal line. In our AD after the first appointment there is new pastor appointed and the old one gets to go on sabbatical for semester. When he comes back he sits as a assistant for a few months before getting a new parish unless the powers that be leave him as an assistant forever. If he acceptable to the Bishop he will probably he usualy stayz as pastor of the second parish until retiement but every 6 years he can not be reappointed.

If someone is not reappointed to term limited position his rights have not been violated and so he has nothing to appeal. If he fired ih has the right of appeal and it is possible the the dioseces dirty laundry can go all the way to the Vatican.

September 08, 2007 6:48 PM  

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